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Bert Wylen interviews Harry Hay on March 9, 1994. Hay reflects on the sexual culture of his early life, recounting the restrictive measures doctors used to curb his early masturbation habits. Hay discusses the absence of a defined gay identity in the 1930s and 40s. Hay discusses the fear, blackmail, and police raids that shaped the lives of homosexual men, as well as the harsh sodomy laws of the time. Hay reflects on his decision to found the Mattachine Society, emphasizing its roots in his trade union background. Hay addresses his conflicts with Hal Call and the accusations of communism that led to divisions within Mattachine. Hay critiques modern assimilationist gay politics, the ethics of outing, and discusses the Stonewall 25 board’s exclusion of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBALA); Bert Wylen interviews Dorr Legg at the ONE Institute in Los Angeles on March 9, 1994. Legg reflects on the influence of the group the Knights of the Clock, which he credits as the first homophile organization, which preceded organizations like the Mattachine Society and ONE Incorporated. Hay reflects on his youth activism in Black civil rights, his involvement with early gay rights organizing, and his eventual decision to leave his career in city planning for full-time activism after helping to establish ONE Inc. and its magazine. Legg highlights the contributions of Women of ONE, the political influences that shaped ONE’s structure, and the internal divisions within Mattachine. Hay reflects on his initial reaction to the Stonewall rebellion, its delayed recognition as a pivotal moment, and his views on the state of modern gay activism and ONE’s continuing role. Material used in broadcasts of WXPN’s Gaydreams and Pacifica National News.