SHABAZZ-EL: —is now on. And we just want to welcome everybody to Remembrance,
and, yeah, welcome you to Remembrance and say again that the event's going to be recorded. We're recording your voice so that we can translate and transcribe what you're saying later on. So, we're going to do introductions, formal introductions. We're going to go around, say our names, where we are, where we are physically located, our geographical location, what our pronouns are, the communities we identify with. And then we're going to share one lesson that we've learned from this COVID outbreak. So I will model by saying, hi, I'm Waheedah. I'm located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. My pronouns are she, her, and beautiful. The communities I identify with are all ethnic communities. I identify 00:01:00with senior community, I identify with people formerly incarcerated, I identify with trans and heterosexual and LGBT communities, I identify with people of faith, I identify with people who use drugs, and a whole bunch of other folks. And the one thing that I've learned about CO—one lesson that COVID has taught me is how vulnerable we are as a human society. John's coming on. How vulnerable we are as a human community. You know, that the very air that we breathe is the same thing that we have to be careful breathing now, you know, in the COVID. So, that's me, and who wants to introduce themselves next?HAYES: Hi, I'll do it, hi. My name is Roy, Roy Hayes. I identify as a gay male.
00:02:00The community that is, you know—I, you know—no, I think I vibe with the gay, bisexual, the faith, worked with the people that were in prison, the faith community, they're like all communities, you know? And basically, what I learned about COVID-19 is that, like you shared, Waheedah, how vulnerable, you know, people is here, you know, and just looking back on when the AIDS epidemic came out, and how so many people early on that, you know—and I could just see how this COVID-19 is doing, you know? And how people talk about the study, you know—going to study 00:03:00and find out how people, especially people—all people, but especially people of color, you know, and people who are poor, you know, and even for people in prison—it's tougher from this COVID-19.SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you, Roy. So, we're just doing—John just joined us and we're
just going around doing introductions. John, welcome. So, I introduced myself, Roy introduced himself. Anybody else want to go?GORDON: I can go.
SHABAZZ-EL: Great.
GORDON: I'm Ain. I'm in Brooklyn, in New York, where I was born and raised. My
pronouns are he/his. Communities I identify with: all the queer communities, Jewish communities, artist communities—pretty much every community that doesn't want to do what most people want to do. Lessons I learned from 00:04:00COVID-19: sometimes I feel like I don't want any of the lessons I'm learning from COVID-19. So maybe that's what I want to say about that right now.SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you.
GRIFFITH: I'll go. So my name is David Griffith. Sorry, I started getting a
phone call as soon as I started talking. David Griffith, my pronouns are he/his/him. I'm here in Philadelphia, live in the Manayunk-Roxborough neighborhood. I'm a gay man. I'm a social worker. I'm a millennial, a millennial who works in the field of aging. And I guess something about COVID—I'm not sure if it's necessarily a new thing I've learned but I think it has just shown how really interconnected all of our communities are, 00:05:00whether we're talking about folks who are living in nursing homes or folks who are living in, residing in shelters. You know, there have been so many ways that this disease has been contracted and transmitted, and really just shows how closely connected we all are, regardless of where we're, where we are.SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you so much. Two more people to introduce themselves. And, you
have to unmute yourself.ANDERIES: I'll be happy to—I'll be happy to go.
LOWRY: All right. Can you hear me now?
SHABAZZ-EL: Yes, we can.
LOWRY: Okay, so my name is Ed. I live in Philadelphia. My pronouns is he and
him. The communities that I identify with is the African American community, the recovery community, the mental health community, 00:06:00you know, a lot of different—the HIV and AIDS community, I deal with, I can identify with a lot because I have worked with a lot of different communities. And the lesson I learned about COVID is, like, be on your P's and Q's, man, you know? Just stay aware, mindful what's going on around you, and how the governments are not paying attention to the things that are important, you know? They worrying about money, and, you know, and jobs and all this kind of stuff. But, you know, what good is that going do us if there ain't nobody around, you know? So, you have to be very mindful of that, you know, so it's got me on my P's and Q's now, you know? It's like living a different life. Just trying to adapt.SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you, Eddie.
LOWRY: You're welcome.
SHABAZZ-EL: And John?
ANDERIES: Hi, everyone.
00:07:00My name is John Anderies and I'm part of the team working on this project. I'm the director of the archives [John J. Wilcox, Jr. Archives] at William Way [LGBT Community Center]. And also I manage the Philadelphia AIDS Oral History Project, which has been gathering people's stories: full length interviews, like one hour, two hour interviews, of people who were instrumental in the early days of the epidemic here in Philadelphia. My pronouns are he and him, he/his/him and I identify as a gay male or queer, and, lessons learned, gosh. That's a hard one. I feel like something I'm going to need to reflect on for a while. I'll say that I had a very recent minor 00:08:00scare that I might be sick, and I got a COVID test. And it ended up being negative, but—which is wonderful—but it definitely brought home the seriousness of it and what, you know, having to wait for four days to find out the results. And having to social-distance from my partner in our apartment. Definitely gave me a perspective about what people who are actually sick and going through difficult, that difficult time, what that might be like. I certainly didn't experience it, but what I did experience was hard enough. And so I can only really imagine, you know, how frightening that can be. I'm really pleased to be here. Thank you so much.SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you. We're so happy to have you here.
00:09:00We actually expected two people to share stories today—and maybe the other person still may join us—but for now, we've just done our introductions and, again, to let you know that this Zoom listening session is being recorded. Oops, I'm on the wrong slide. And so what we're going to do next, we're going to give you a small introduction to Remembrance. Eddie's going to do a couple of slides. And then we're going to ask you to share something that you want us to remember about the person and your story doesn't have to be a great story.It doesn't have to be stupendous—just what you want the world to remember about that person and we'll go a little bit more into that for you, Roy. Then we're going to ask you for some input. We have a few questions to ask you about what a memorial should look like here in Philadelphia. And we'll show you how to complete the compensation forms, and we're done. So I'm going to turn it over now 00:10:00to Eddie. Let me take the screen down so you can see. Eddie's going to tell you a little bit about the project.LOWRY: All right, hello, everybody. Remembrance— what is it? Remembrance is a
multi-year, multidisciplinary memorial to Philadelphians and the HIV/AIDS crisis by the William Way LGBT Community Center, and its John J. Wilcox, Jr. Archives, in partnership with artists, activists, and community leaders. There are several components to Remembrance. One of those components of Remembrance is a community listening tour, to gather untold accounts of community members living with HIV and AIDS who have passed, unnoticed or uncelebrated. The collected stories we gather 00:11:00will be added to the John J. Wilcox, Jr. Archives, in a dedicated portal of the William Way LGBT Community Center website. The input we receive from these community members will be vital to shaping a memorial to HIV and AIDS here in Philadelphia.SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you, Ed. Hey, Roy, do you have any questions about anything
that we've just shared with you, any questions about the program?HAYES: No, I think what Eddie read explained it a lot.
SHABAZZ-EL: Great. Okay, so we're gonna go ahead and move right into the
listening session portion. And so, what we want to make sure that you understand is that the person that you are going to remember, if that person was not open about their HIV status, then we want you to feel free to give them a pet name, or use a nickname or something like that, right? Knowing, you know, how sensitive that is 00:12:00about a person's sharing their status. And what we want you to share is what you want the world to know, what you want the world to remember about this person. Okay, we want you to talk about their personalities and hobbies, things they liked, talk about their struggles, maybe with their family or struggling with their sexuality, struggles with their diagnosis, did they face stigma, were they—did they experience any violence. And also share their resourcefulness, share their triumphs, what made them happy. How's that sound? Okay?HAYES: Mhm.
SHABAZZ-EL: So, and then after, we may ask you a few questions, you know, when
you're done. Eddie's going to be a timekeeper. And we're doing it so David can see how things work because David, this is actually David's first time with us. So Eddie, you're going to be a timekeeper and how are you going to let Roy know when his 00:13:00time is up? He's going to shake something in front of you? I can't really hear it. Oh, okay. Not sure what that is. It looks creepy, but.HAYES: What is it?
SHABAZZ-EL: I wasn't sure. Can we see that again? He couldn't see it. Bring it
over, to the camera.GORDON: There you go.
SHABAZZ-EL: I have no idea what that is. It looks creepy, still. So we're going
to give you about 10.HAYES: Oh that's that red thing?
LOWRY: What'd he say?
SHABAZZ-EL: He's asking you what are you shaking in front of him? It looks like—
LOWRY: You saw it, Roy.
SHABAZZ-EL: Oh, is that keys?
LOWRY: Yes.
SHABAZZ-EL: Oh, he has a set of keys. Okay.
HAYES: Oh yeah, okay. Now I see them, okay.
SHABAZZ-EL: Okay, so we're going to give you about 10 to 12 minutes, Roy, so,
you know, and then Eddie will probably tell you that, to wrap it up and then we may ask you a few questions and we're gonna just get it 00:14:00done, okay?.HAYES: Okay.
SHABAZZ-EL: We appreciate you, and, who you want to remember today?
HAYES: Okay, well, who I want to remember is Arnold Jackson.
SHABAZZ-EL: Oh wow.
HAYES: You know, Arnold Jackson—I met Arnold Jackson early on when I first was
diagnosed, and got involved with We the People, Arnold Jackson was one of the persons that—who was really inspired—one of my heroes, when I came to We the People, and a part of helping We the People get started, you know. Arnold Jackson done a lot for the community. He was a open Black, gay man who put a lot into the community. Arnold Jackson was involved with a lot of organizations. Arnold Jackson was the first administration coordinator at We the People 00:15:00for AIDS and HIV in the Delaware Valley. Arnold Jackson also was the first [unintelligible] for members, member direction, and founder of Positive Health, that was a weekly news TV station on Channel 35—WYBE Channel 35, where he used to have all the people HIV to come on, the earlier days of HIV, and talk about some of the things that they was going through, you know. Arnold Jackson also was involved with a lot of organizations who helped me, you know, early on to be able to deal with, you know, part of me being HIV. He was involved in the Black, the Black gay pride chapter members. He also was on the board. He was on the board of directors of the Unity [Inc]. 00:16:00You know, he also was involved with the COLOURS Organization. He was involved with BEBASHI [Blacks Educating Blacks About Sexual Health Issues], and various organizations and, you know, education in the community. You know, and he also was involved with ActionAIDS, you know, early on. And Arnold Jackson's done a lot in the community. Anything that, early on, that I didn't even know about, along with some of the people. He was the AIDS resource, you know. It was just so much and he also was involved with, you know, part, took intake, advocate for the AIDS Law Project, you know. And, and he also was accounting 00:17:00for [unintelligible]. And some of the things that Arnold Jackson liked: he [unintelligible] outdoors. Outdoors— he liked baseball. He's done so much, you know. It's just so many things I could tell—I love that man, you know, until he died, you know. It really hurt me, and he also will help do some articles in Alive and Kicking. He also wrote articles. He was a writer. He wrote articles in the COLOURS magazine, you know, the [Philadelphia] Gay News, you know. And a lot of other things that he was involved in, you know. And it takes so long just to say so much about this man, you know, and I mentioned, you know, he does a lot, you know, for people 00:18:00that, who was in prison, you know. He used to write a lot of letters. Early on it would be that We the People, we used to write different people that, who was in prison. And Arnold was very involved to help us to sit down and help us to write letters to the people that, who was in prison.SHABAZZ-EL: Hey, Roy?
HAYES: Yeah.
SHABAZZ-EL: Hey, Roy, can you tell me anything—did you know his family? Did you
know whether he had a relationship with his family?HAYES: Yeah, for a while, Arnold Jackson, he had a mother, his brother was
involved, his brother was involved, you know, he was close. It wasn't like that at first, with his family. But later on, he got close. But his family is like all other persons, especially if you were gay, you know, family did not accept him. But Arnold didn't 00:19:00care, you know. Later on, they got to love him and find out all the great work that he was doing. They accepted him, that he was, he was HIV and had the virus. You know, you know, before he died, he had three brothers, you know. He had a mother, you know. And his brother was very involved with him, too, because his brother was involved down We the People too, and, and he loved—his family learned to love him, you know. He's a person that you have to learn how to love, but he done a lot of great work for the people, and his family learned how to accept that. He didn't do the work just for him. He was helping a lot of other people.SHABAZZ-EL: So he was open with his HIV—you said he was openly gay. He was open
with his HIV status, too?HAYES: Yes, he was. Yes, he was.
00:20:00At every organization that he worked for, he let people know, because he helped a lot of other people, you know, until he died, you know. David Fair and him was roommates for many years. Everybody know David Fair, you know?SHABAZZ-EL: Oh, okay.
HAYES: You know, so him and David Fair was very involved. I mean, not involved,
I mean, they was roommates, you know, and everything. They lived together for many, many years.SHABAZZ-EL: Okay.
HAYES: So, you know, and just by him that cohost for the TV, people know.
Because, you know, most of the time, that was the TV station that people got a lot of the educational about—with Alive and Kicking, some of the things, find out some of the things that was going on, you know, to educate people about HIV and everything, early on. You know, 00:21:00so it was a lot of different things that he done. Even volunteer, he just was a volunteer person, you know. He done some things himself: he'd advocate, he went to, when we were going to Washington [DC] on the bus and protests and all that stuff. And, he done a lot of different things. And I love him greatly. And I really miss him.SHABAZZ-EL: So how old was—how old was he when he passed away?
HAYES: Arnold Jackson was, must've been—I think Arnold must've been about, he
must've been about 50. But he died. He passed away in 1998.SHABAZZ-EL: Okay.
HAYES: 1998.
SHABAZZ-EL: Did you attend his funeral?
HAYES: Yes. I did, you know, and it was at St. Luke's [The Church of Saint Luke
and The Epiphany], you know, and David wrote the obituary. So if y'all need to, a copy of his 00:22:00obituary, I could always forward it to you. So I'm looking at some of the things now that I remember, but some of the things that I remember him, but I'm looking at, you know. And David wrote a beautiful obituary about him, you know. He just was involved with so many things, you know. He was honored—he received plaques from the mayor of Philadelphia, for the work on behalf for people with HIV and for the Black, gay community. You know, he did for everybody—but especially with the black gay community for early on—you know, the best. It was bad enough being gay, you know, and also you have HIV so you had two different things that were discriminated against.SHABAZZ-EL: Wow. Sounds like a wonderful person. He was really busy.
HAYES: Yes, he was, and I'm gonna send you that—I could email that to whoever—so
much stuff he got, I mean, so much 00:23:00stuff he was involved in, up to the day he died. I could share so many things about him. Arnold, he had this thing about, if you drink your own urine—I'll share that story—that that will help your immune system. And people used to do it and he had some people he'd say, hey, if you drink your own urine, you know, it could affect your illnesses, that's just some story that he shared. And he shared. He would open up and share that. You know, about that. And that wasn't no joke. That was a true quote from him.SHABAZZ-EL: Right, Okay. Okay, well, I wish I had known him. Did he know Kiyoshi [Kuromiya]?
HAYES: Yeah—me and Kiyoshi, Alive and Kicking—yes, he did. You know,
00:24:00when We the People, when I first came to We the People, [unintelligible], it was We the People who came—it was Kiyoshi, yes. Because Alive and Kicking was one of the magazines that Kiyoshi started, and Arnold used to write.SHABAZZ-EL: Oh, okay, Alive and kicking.
HAYES: Kiyoshi's involved in there, too. When I talk about Arnold
Jackson—anything I miss about We the People, about some of the people that, you know, I could tell, [unintelligible] Kiyoshi. Kiyoshi was my hero, you know, and Jackson, Arnold Jackson. If it wasn't for Kiyoshi there wouldn't have been, like, we wouldn't have the things that we have today—wouldn't be a We the People, a place that people could come, you know, who live with HIV. A place that people could come. And we used to open up at—I used to have this support group. Arnold was helping with this support group there, called Triple Trouble. And sometimes Arnold was part of the education. Why is it called Triple Trouble? It was 'cause if you had HIV, if you have a drug problem, or you have mental health problems. So, Arnold used to help me facilitate 00:25:00that group. And Kiyoshi was also involved, you know, with the article, you know, with Alive and Kicking. 'Cause he was the writer, I said he was writer. He was the writer. Arnold Jackson was the writer, you know? And so much.SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you, Roy. That's a lot! Sounds like he was an amazing person
and a person who helped the community in a number of ways.HAYES: Yes, he did. And he graduated from Temple [University] in 1980.
SHABAZZ-EL: Okay. What was his field?
HAYES: He graduated for Communication.
SHABAZZ-EL: Okay. Wow. So that's why he was such a good writer. He was a journalist.
HAYES: That's right, he was. And he—like I said, he had a sister and three
brothers, you know. And a father, and his 00:26:00 father.SHABAZZ-EL: So when he passed away, was he—was his family there with him?
HAYES: Yes, it was.
SHABAZZ-EL: —or do you know?
HAYES: Yes, it was. His family was there. It was all there.
SHABAZZ-EL: Okay, great.
HAYES: There was hundreds from benefits, you know, was there. I remember, it was
at St. Luke's church. The service was on Saturday, January the ninth. You know, January—May the ninth, 1998, at St. Luke's church. So, you know, it was just so—we had a memorial service for him there. Yes.SHABAZZ-EL: I'm going to open it up and see if any of the other team members
have any other questions to ask Roy. You did a great job.GORDON: Do you remember when you first met him?
HAYES: I met—I came to We the People in 1987. I met Arnold in 1991. That's when
he was diagnosed. That's when I, you know—I've known him before that, but I've met him in 00:27:00 1981—1991.GORDON: And were you, did you socialize together? Or you mostly—
HAYES: Oh, yes, we did, we did. We the People was my life, you know? When I—you
know, for me, early on with my diagnosis, I was at We the People, like, 24 hours a day. You know, even though I worked—I had a job that I worked at as a case manager—but We the People was my life. You know, and we were down We the People—we would open up We the People 24 hours a day. Back then, there were no places for people to come, especially if you was poor, especially if you—if you was poor and [unintelligible] back then. Different organizations: if you weren't white, or gay, you didn't get your service.SHABAZZ-EL: Any [00
00:28:00] other questions from anybody? For Roy?GRIFFITH: Yeah, I was just curious to ask, Roy, with all these great
organizations he was involved in and all this activism, you know, what do you think were some of the key things that drove that, things that motivated him to get so involved?HAYES: He's see, you know, he'd see how people were treated, you know? How, back
then, even though, early on—you know, how people were treated. Especially Afro-Americans, you know, back then. People were dying back then, you know. Not just people who was, with a white gay disease. He saw a lot that it was not just a white gay disease. It was—SHABAZZ-EL: Did
00:29:00we lose Roy?GORDON: Well, he keeps, his Wi-Fi is—
SHABAZZ-EL: His Wi-Fi is getting a little shaky?
GORDON: Yeah.
SHABAZZ-EL: Okay. Roy, can you still hear us?
HAYES: I can now.
SHABAZZ-EL: I'm glad you can still hear us. No, I'm glad you can still hear us.
So, we're going to wrap it up. We're glad to you for sharing your—sharing to us about your hero. I heard you refer to him as your hero: Arnold Jackson. Eddie, did you have any questions you wanted to ask Roy?LOWRY: Yeah, just to piggyback on what David said, you know, about, you know, I
just want to know, you know, I mean—I met Roy at We the People and that was years ago, and: what kept you motivated, man; what kept you with that drive? Man, you've been doing this for a long time, man. I just want to know the 00:30:00 secret.HAYES: 'Cause I needed to be there. Well, I remember, like I'll share, another
with Kiyoshi. When I came to We The People—they told me about going to We the People when it was a storefront—Kiyoshi put a t-shirt on me, and I went to DC. And he told me to lay on the ground, and I looked, and there were nobody like me. And then when I came back, then I find out people were dying, people of color were dying. And I'd say I got to take that risk, take that risk and be a front for my people. And it hurt. It was—I got a lot of bad type people seeing me, but that's what make me drive today. I'm 71 years old, and been living this since 1984. But that's what keeps me going, you know? It's part of my life—keeps me going. 00:31:00I remember the quote, that me, that he had shared one time. I wanted to quit. He said, it's not about you. And that's what I'll leave with y'all. He said that. He knew it. He said, nothing, Roy, it's not about you. Because I wanted to give up and say hell with this. But he said, Roy, it's not about you.SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you for that, Roy. We're going to move on. We just have a few
questions to ask you, as we close up. Can you tell us the first—do you remember the first time you ever heard about HIV or AIDS? Can you remember what that felt like? The first time you heard about it?HAYES: Well, the first time I heard about it, you know, it was like, I went to—I
used to sell blood. And I went to the blood bank and they said there was something wrong with my blood. They say, you have something, you know. It's called ARC [AIDS-related complex], you know. And then I went to—when I went to the doctor, I had a seizure, and the doctor said, 00:32:00hey, gave me this card—suicide hotline. And he said most people live for, like, six months to a year. And I was in recovery, and I went home—and I was working at this recovery house—and I went home to die. And that was the first time I heard—I was in the hospital and [unintelligible]. And that was hard to hear that, and that was the first time I heard about that.SHABAZZ-EL: And so we just have a few more questions that anybody could jump in
and ask these if they want to. So. yeah, but—do you remember the first memorial or funeral that you went to, for someone who had died from AIDS?HAYES: The first memorial I went to. I used to work at the Craig Foundation,
00:33:00and I went with a family. And I used to work for the William J. Craig Memorial Foundation. I was assistant case manager. And I went, and the mother had HIV and the son—I think her son was about 20 years old, and he was one of our clients. And so that was very common to see that young people were dying.SHABAZZ-EL: What was the funeral like? Do you remember? What was it a funeral or
was it a memorial?HAYES: It was a memorial because, back then, you know, the minister didn't want
that, people in the church, yeah. So we had—the agency had the memorial, because the mother—back then, the mother, if he had, you know—back then some of the things, the HIV, they used to say, the pastor or whatever said, you can't have that in my church. And the mother sometimes 00:34:00used to say, my son died from cancer. But—and that was hard, to see parents, you know, couldn't say, tell people that their son died from HIV. And that was hard for me to see, you know. And people used to tell me, Roy, I just don't want to die alone. And that hurts me, and by me having HIV and being able to hold somebody. And I realized that, you know, I could tell them that death could, it could be a sweet thing. But I had to learn that, you know? That death could be a sweet thing. you know. They said Roy, just hold me, hold my hand. I just don't want to die alone.SHABAZZ-EL: Wow. Okay, so Roy, if we were to have a memorial here in
Philadelphia for people with—lost to AIDS, what do you think it should look like? What do you think a proper memorial would look like for people here in Philadelphia, who were lost to AIDS? What would it need to have?HAYES: Well,
00:35:00I think it could, you know—I would see if some of the parents of the people realize if they could have the pictures or just have a name and some real, some, you know, if not— I think right now they're gone, you know, they have peace and stuff, and I believe that people, even though a lot of people suffer, but I think it should be a real peaceful, joyful memorial.SHABAZZ-EL: Okay. Peaceful and joyful.
HAYES: Huh?
SHABAZZ-EL: Peaceful and joyful, you said?
HAYES: Right, peaceful and joyful.
SHABAZZ-EL: With pictures.
HAYES: Yeah, yeah, pictures, or their name. And it should be real joyful. You
know, happy. That's what I want to see, real happy.SHABAZZ-EL: Not sober. Like, noise. Okay. And then the last question that we
have for you actually comes from our funders, from the Pew Foundation. They want to know, is there, does this COVID health crisis bring back any kind of 00:36:00memories? Or was HIV and COVID—is it like apples and oranges? Any similarities, or did it bring back any memories?HAYES: It did! But, you know what somebody told me—I was talking to a brother,
and he said, Roy, this medication—by you being HIV, this medication might be helping you. You know, the medication that you take, it might be keeping you alive, keeping you from catching it? You know, and that was really remarkable, you know, to really think about that, you know, my OI's [opportunistic infections related to HIV/AIDS] and stuff that I'm taking—and there's a lot of people I see: they've been okay, you know? With the healthcare that we got, it brought back memories and stuff like that, you know? But I realize that some of the research and stuff that they got—supposed to have now, we didn't have back then, you know? 00:37:00But some of the things that we should be doing now, we didn't know back then, you know? But like, I'll just say that it brought back, for just for a moment, it's [unintelligible].SHABAZZ-EL: Thank you, Roy. Thank you so much. And we really want to thank you
for your honest and open sharing. We really appreciate your contributions to Remembrance. Everything you've added is just going to make this such a more meaningful program for our community. And we're going to ask you to help us spread the word. If you know, if you know some folks that we need to talk to, send us their contact information; we'll be happy to reach out to them. So, and, we'll probably circle back and 00:38:00reach back out to you, too. So, do you have any questions for us before I, before we're going to show you how to get your—listen, you've done some emotional labor today. And we wish that we were able to give you so much more, but we're going to offer you a check for $20. And you have to just follow the link and fill out your address, your name and address for the check. But do you have any other questions for us, before we go?HAYES: No, you know, and, like I said I got other people that I could tell you,
that, who been around and was around with We the People. I can make sure that I give you their numbers, so you could call them or tell them to get in touch with y'all.SHABAZZ-EL: Yeah. Let me ask you—I'm going to stop, I'm going to stop sharing
for a minute and ask you—can you see the chat box? Because the link for you to get compensated is in the chat box. Can you see the chat box? I'm going put it back in here again. Because you can do this, like, right now, because this link is not going to be live forever. But, so, I just dropped the link in the chat box. 00:39:00Do you see your chat box?HAYES: Yeah, I see it.
SHABAZZ-EL: Can you click on that right now and open it? Okay, can you still
hear me?HAYES: Yes, I see and hear you.
SHABAZZ-EL: Okay, so all you gotta do is fill that out and that will
automatically generate a check from you coming from the William Way. That's just your legal name and your mailing address. It'll come in the mail. Do you have any pictures of Arnold?GORDON: He's muted.
SHABAZZ-EL: Oh, you're filling that out? That's fine. We'll just double back—if
you have pictures, send us pictures, Roy. If not, we'll just contact David and see if David had pictures.HAYES: Yeah, yeah, I got a picture right here. Right now, I can forward—what
happened is—SHABAZZ-EL: Send it to me.
HAYES: Okay, I will. Okay?
SHABAZZ-EL: Okay.
HAYES: All right, now.
SHABAZZ-EL: All right, buddy. Thanks so much. Have a great day, Roy.
HAYES: All
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