Bert Wylen interviews Larry Kramer at the University of Pennsylvania. Kramer questions Wylen’s stance on ACT UP! and its tactics. Wylen reflects on his experiences with the Philadelphia chapter of ACT UP! claiming some members have defamed him in the Philadelphia Gay News. Kramer discusses ACT UP!’s successes and criticizes in-fighting within the gay movement, arguing that such conflicts hinder progress and emphasizing the need for unified anger and protest. Wylen asks about Kramer’s theory of the “banality of genocide.” Kramer expresses difficulty engaging with Wylen in good faith. Wylen argues that ACT UP! has worked to push him out of the community and attempts to censor his activism. Wylen questions Kramer’s decision to downplay ACT UP!’s radicalism in his speech earlier the same evening. Kramer and Wylen discuss the role of violence in gay activism.
